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Tom's avatar

China is a civilization. The US is a colony. Chinese leaders think not in terms of election cycles, but in in terms of historical legacy. Chinese economists do not think in terms of dollars, but in energy, labour, and resources. China compares itself to great powers like Russia and white empire while India compares itself to its own rump.

Hua Bin's avatar

great point. One of the fundamental differences between the east and the west is the former defines itself in civilizational terms while the latter in legalistic nation state terms. The result is China and Russia think in the long historical cycles while the west thinks like limited liability corporations. Another difference is Chinese leadership think like engineers and want to solve societal challenges from engineering perspective (resource allocation, human capital, infrastructure) while the west, especially the US, is led by lawyers and bankers who think in transactional and financial terms.

as for India, it used to be a civilizational state but was fragmented and tribal. the Raj ruined its civilizational roots and now it is caught in the twilight between pre-modern reality and grandiose delusion of national greatness that is divorced from the reality. It will be an afterthought for generations.

Tom V's avatar

Human capital is a product of wealth and nurturing. It's doesn't belong exclusively to anyone. People who believe they are superior will decline due to arrogance and complacency. Genetic mutates over time. Given the required resources and nurturing any society will achieve the human capital for success. The law of very large numbers dictates this outcome. The difference in human capital between the West and China can be measured with these two metrics. The Chinese put more value in education, and they put more resources into it as a family. The West spends more public money, while the Chinese spends more privately. When adding public and private spending, the Chinese spend more than the West on human capital. Private spending has a greater result because it shows the greater nurturing environment needed for educational success. When one combines this with the law of compounding interest and China's huge population, China's human capital will be greater than any country in the world. We are seeing this in the numbers of STEM graduates and the increasing trade surpluses.

Hua Bin's avatar

historically China has always been focused on education, both at state and private levels. China did make terrible mistakes after Song dynasty when its educational system became one dimensional in overemphasizing humanities and literati while downplaying natural science. For 400 years, scientific and technological progress stalled, cultimating in the disastrous contacts with the colonial powers in mid 19th century. Even since the fall of the Qing dynasty, there has been a strong belief China needs to invest in science and technology to progress. What we are seeing today is the direct result of that commitment.

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It is mind boggling how notions that were common sense throughout most of human history up to 100 years ago in the West are so taboo that people here are absolutely blind to it. Their worldviews are so thoroughly detached from actual reality, and they can merely operate in the intellectual space allowed under “Reality for Goyim 12.7.”

THE PEOPLE are EVERYTHING, and unfortunately, my people, in general, no longer understand the concept of sub-species (race, breed, etc).

Even as white men ruled over approximately 90% of the world at the turn of the 20th, learned men, such as Lothrop Stoddard (not sure if I spelled that right) understood simply by accurately perceiving race, which is merely a means of understanding the natural world, that the Chinese were destined to rise above the whites on a world scale.

Something white dumbasses cannot seem to comprehend THE PEOPLE MAKE THE PLACE. The West is no longer the West. The most promising piece of European racial or ethnic group was sacrificed in unnecessary wars against each other on the alter of Jewish desire to not only rule the world, but to also humiliate and destroy ALL OTHER PEOPLES.

Like the Chinese, the Jews play the long game, which is really the only way to win in this so called game of thrones. However, they miscalculated by viewing the West as “the world,” meaning to conquer it is to conquer the world. Now they have degraded their white golem’s ability to compete with the rising power of China. Current white programming dictates he run from any idea that does not end with him jumping off a cliff after having watched his daughters raped and his sons murdered. His only desire is others don’t see him racist, so he invites the murderers and rapists into his home in larger numbers and gives a press conference stating that though what happened to his children is tragic, it would be even more tragic to see the people who committed the acts against them as a problem.

Anyway, I’m not arguing with anything Hua said. The situation is kinda comical.

Hua, you mentioned promising research in the early 20th, but the very best of such research is more modern in spite of taboos. Perhaps you are well aware, but see Arthur Jensen’s work. The APA journal Intelligence published an article with the title referring to Jensen as “a king among men” for his contribution to the study of human intelligence. He is the best, but see also Rushton, Gottfredson, Bouchard, Lynn, just to name a few off the top of my head.

Hua Bin's avatar

I enjoyed the colorful argument and agree the goyim west has been collectively brainwashed and reduced into a zombie to be manipulated and parasited on after preying on the rest of the world for 400 years. History is filled with such boomerangs and ironies.

BADmejr's avatar

Rushton’s book applying to human groups the r/k theory of life history traits long applied between species is an excellent modern work on group differences rooted in evolution. There is a pattern of various traits, including things like intelligence, sexual behavior & characteristics, two egg twinning, cranial capacity, and much more that Rushton shows three macro races, Sub-Saharan Africans, Europeans, and East Asians differ in the same direction consistently with the Africans and Asians the furthest apart and Europeans in between (tho clustered closer to Asians). The book contains excellent charts and other visuals. Here is a link to a downloadable free pdf of the work if you have any interest.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C34&q=Rushton+a+life+history+perspective+abridged+edition&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&t=1753844563005&u=%23p%3D5h0jd56iL8QJ

J Huizinga's avatar

Everyone who’s looked deeply at all Federal government “investments” such as MP (remember BO’s favorite Solyndra?) recognizes that the Pentagon funding is merely the initial step in a potentially enormous money laundering scheme. When MP fails after spending hundreds of millions of dollars, there will be no accounting for where the money went. Like magic, poof, it just got spent. And no, there’s no audit trail, but if there’s any surplus cash discovered, I’ll send my Cayman bank wire transfer instructions.

Hua Bin's avatar

the pentagon and the MIC in the US serve as a racket since the days the country became an imperial power. Read General Smedley Butler's War is a Racket published in 1935 and Butler was the most decorated solider in US history. He openly confessed he was merely a muscle for the most corrupt mafia - the US state. His best quote in the book was "only a small inside group knows what war is about. it is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. out of war a few people make huge fortunes." This was so at the turn of the century and even more so today.

Also it's all good as far as China is concerned since the strategy is to bankcrupt the imperial power who always overreach.

J Huizinga's avatar

The truth, such as found in Butler, is mostly hidden or suppressed. Even FDR admitted “presidents are selected, not elected”.

The most the world can hope for is the steady withering away of US (ie Jewish) power. There will never be a revolution because the fragmented, distracted lives of Americans are aimless and easy to manipulate.

Hua Bin's avatar

well said. I always visualize the US population as the most armed and most violent but also easiest to manipulate. With attention span putting a koi to shame, how can one expect the average joe-6-pack to think? it's a society run by the elite for the elite. the next stop of neoliberal financial capitalism is a return to feudalism, maybe not in form but certainly in substance.

J Huizinga's avatar

The last sentence is difficult to dispute. The NFO (“New Feudal Order”) will be similar to indentured servitude but with more streaming options.

The horror the west has inflicted on the rest of the world now needs refocusing — on itself. Europe wants war with Russia, fine. No one could possibly argue with the people who started two world wars.

As the Germans [used to say, before they switched to auto translate] “Alle guten Dinge sind drei” (all good things come in threes).

I’m not sure it’s China’s responsibility to prevent these people from exterminating each other, but the block on critical materials does have an upside.

Hua Bin's avatar

europe has always been the bloodies continent when it comes to war against each other. If NATO europe wants to treat Russia as an alien, then just stay cut off and let it be. But it cannot help itself encroaching on Russia and take away the last buffer zone. If they want to poke the bear, they live with the consequence.

as for the germans, I think there is something deeper under the rational facade and it seems the dark side is pushing out with the new guy Merz. The trio of merz, rutte, and stoltenber are just poster boys for the new Nazis - they even physically look the part. the new final solution is the Slavic issue.

indeed all good things come in threes.

J Huizinga's avatar

I’m not sure blaming this trio for how they look is relevant — after all, one doesn’t have free will to choose a genetic phenotype.

Take Merz. In a Newsweek article from February this year, on “who is Friedrich Merz” — only his political background is noted. Not a word about being a corporate attorney for the financial legal firm Mayer Brown (Jewish origin) and then the supervisory chair of BlackRock Germany (Jewish origin) for five years. Is it is surprise that he’s a virulent Zio-Israelite who eats his TV dinner watching videos of babies with their heads being blown off?

Guy's avatar

Culturally, ideologically and economically, the United States is all about individualism, advanced-stage finance capitalism, growing inequality of wealth and power and short-term market-based thinking (next quarter, next election, next news cycle). All incentives are individual and short-term, unaffected by what may happen in the future. Such incentives are incapable of producing any long-term collective strategy. The future just happens without any effective or even conscious decision-making. Managing and developing "human" capital requires thinking in terms of generations. America has never really known what it was doing since it got to California and gazed out on the Pacific Ocean.

Hua Bin's avatar

Indeed, culturally and economically, the US is a bottom up society. Even ideologically, it used to be much more diverse (not so much these days as political correctness and neoliberalism gradually negate individualism). The upside is the entreprenuership and innovative drive of the individual, coupled with outsized financial incentives, can create technological miracles. Downside is there is little emphasis on the collective or long term thinking. There is more a feel of serendipity to innovations.

China's approach is quite different - it's much more collective and top down. Things are more planned and organized compared with the US. There is much stronger mobilization of resources after priorities are set and agreed to.

China's model is a better fit for efforts that require whole-of-nation resources and investment, such as high speed rail, nuclear energy, etc. The US model is a better fit with individual flair like Elon Musk. Of course, the best model is to combine the strenghts of both approaches and the winner for long term economic and technological race will be the system that delivers the best mix.

钟建英's avatar

Thanks, agree about China’s human capital edge over the US, at least in relation to science and technology (but perhaps not in finance or entertainment?).

But US also seems to suffer from an ideological disadvantage that sees government as ineffective and unable to do anything concrete (other than fight wars?). So US governments cannot solve homelessness, cannot prevent/mitigate natural disasters (flood and fire), cannot do industrial policy etc. the helplessness seems ideologically rooted. But there is no such helplessness in the Chinese government. Sure the government makes mistakes (as does the private sector) but that is no reason to give up altogether.

If your ideology tells you that governments inevitably fail, then why even try? It’s like what Warren Buffet said: what could be more advantageous in an intellectual contest than to have opponents who have been taught that thinking is a waste of energy?

Hua Bin's avatar

I agree the US produces the most number of financial savants from the best hedge fund managers like Dalio to the worst ponzi schemers like Madoff. I doubt the US is better off as a whole in the long run with the overabundance of financial geniuses but they certainly are rolling in dough.

Charlie Munger famously said "it's a national scandal how the best minds in this country are put to use in highly sophiscated gaming".

frankly China is better off without financiers running around with CDOs or derivatives to blow up its economy.

as for entertainment, I suspect China produces as much high quality entertainment as the US these days. Of course, few outside of China is exposed to it but you can check out any number of Chinese streaming services and find a more diverse set of entertainment options than the mindless franchise driven Hollywood flicks. It's a matter of personal taste.

When it comes to government effectiveness, I think the fundamental starting points are different between China and the US. In China, the government has a lot of power, plays a much heavier role and is expected to solve problems. In the US, people seem to give up on government actually delivering results. The political culture there is more about making speeches, taking grand stands, and blaming opposition than actually solving societal issues. Of course, the competence of government officials in each country is vastly disparate - in China, the top of the cream from the best universities go into senior government jobs based on merit and performance. In the US, the best orator and the machiavellian succeed.

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Thanks, as much as I support regular elections, I have come to suspect that the Western style elections that emphasises rivalry between political parties is a major drawback, vs the Communist style of elections where (as I understand it) only individuals with a track record of serving the community are allowed to be nominated as candidates for the legislature. The rivalry (in Western style elections) tend to favour candidates that "can self-promote but cannot do", whereas the Communist style elections favour candidates that "can do but cannot self-promote". (Ha ha!)

BTW, is there a Chinese streaming service that you would recommend for a foreign audience? I am sure you are right that there are many excellent Chinese productions. They don't have to be dubbed in English, but it would be really helpful if there are English subtitles. I do wish one of the Chinese streaming service would look to the international market and add English (and other foreign language) subtitles to their content. Give Netflix a run for its money!

Hua Bin's avatar

every system comes with pros and cons. There is no such thing as a perfect social system (I subscribe to the view "social science" is not real science). It all depends on how the system is used or misused.

as for Chinese streaming services, try iQiyi, WeTV, or YouKou - most of them have dubbed subtitles, even with AI voice-overs. If you can install WeTV, I suggest to watch 3 Body, the Chinese sci-fi novel that was also made into a Netflix series. Unfortunately Netflix completely butchered the original work with its Hollywood DEI agenda and ridiculous casting decisions. the WeTV 3 Body is much more loyal to the original work and has way better storyline and special effects.

钟建英's avatar

Thanks for the recommendations! Will check out.

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The power of a nation-state by no means consists only in its armed forces, but also in its economic and technological resources; in the dexterity, foresight and resolution with which its foreign policy is conducted; in the efficiency of its social and political organization. It consists most of all in the nation itself: the people; their skills, energy, ambition, discipline, initiative; their beliefs, myths and illusions.

And it consists, further, in the way all these factors are related to one another. Moreover, national power has to be considered not only in itself, in its absolute extent, but relative to the state’s foreign or imperial obligations; it has to be considered relative to the power of other states. – Correlli Barnett.

Bloodboiler's avatar

Good article. As for human capital, we shouldn't ignore what is going on at the top end of the talent pool. The poorest Chinese, just like the poorest Mexicans, the poorest Guatemalans, the poorest Africans, they are just pouring in enmasse along with the most petty and violent of criminals alike amongst them.

But the most successful and the best educated Chinese on the other hand are putting their American houses up for sale, they’re quitting their American jobs at American universities and in American companies. They’re saying goodbye to their American friends and even their American kids, and they’re buying plane tickets, and the younger Chinese [at the top end of the talent pool] are not going to Jewmerica at all.

Hua Bin's avatar

there is a very interesting Channel News Asia (in Singapore) documentary about the illegal Chinese immigrants who got in the US via central America and Mexico. the documentary is called Walking the Line and can be found on YouTube. It gives a flavor of the composition and motivation of the Chinese illegal migrants. You will be surprised they are hardly the poorest segment of the population.

as for the more educated and well off Chinese leaving the US, the reasons are much easier to understand.

Robert Billyard's avatar

The dummies in Washington just can't come to grips with the basic realities. China has 4x the population and must build its economy to scale.

Compulsive militarism is never a good long term investment.

For the sake of corporate profiteering the US let its industrial base erode and is now facing the dire consequences.

America is not a sovereign state. It is an empire ruled by the expediencies and vested interests that set its warfare agenda.

Empires always end up on the scrap heaps of history, morally and fiscally exhausted.... so goes the world.

Everyone should see the movie Seneca – On the Creation of Earthquakes, directed by Robert Schwentke,,

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Hua Bin's avatar

if you study building bridges, fix machinery, develop tooling molds, where are the job opportunities? where are things being built and made? I assume talents go to where the work is.