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Robert Billyard's avatar

When the USSR collapsed in 1990 the US made the wrong decision. Instead of opting for peace and progress they opted for militarism and war. Now we see the difference.

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Tom Welsh's avatar

As always, the term "the USA" conceals the fact that US government policy does not correspond to the wishes of the US people nor to their interests. (See Gilens & Page, "Democracy in America?: What Has Gone Wrong and What We Can Do About It").

So it was not precisely "the US" that made the decision; nor in fact was it a wrong decision from the viewpoint of the tiny elite that made it. On the contrary, it suited their interests perfectly. Needless to say, those people could not care less about the USA except as a means to their ends.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

I agree there has to be a clear distinction between the actions of the empire and those of the Republic. Just like the war in Ukraine was provoked by a cabal of unelected Neocons in the State Department

Its awkward when the sheep and the lion share the same office space. The empire being the lion, prevails.

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Tom Welsh's avatar

Gore Vidal, who was well placed to know, wrote that the US republic came to an end some time in the 1960s, to be replaced by the imperial project. Neatly timed to take over the place of the defunct British Empire - and not by coincidence.

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Hua Bin's avatar

the US stopped being a republic when the coup happened with JFK assassination. it was taken over by dark forces that are still operating behind the scene today. And it's not just the military industrial congressional complex. That force has given birth to 911, war on terror, and today's major power conflicts.

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Tom Welsh's avatar

North America has always been controlled by dark forces, ever since the European colonists landed. The slavers; the people who burned and hanged “witches”; those who methodically drove the Native Americans to the verge of extinction. And the revered ancestors of the modern US “nobility” - the Vanderbilts, Morgans, Rockefellers, etc., were all absolute whirling sons of bitches who drove a coach and horses through all law and morality to pile up their money. The “deep state” people are just the latest wave of criminals - mostly ambitious middle-class professionals with chips on their shoulders and a vast sense of entitlement.

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Totally agree, It was the "decade of assassinations" where the empire put down its roots.

Have you seen the movie "Seven Days in May"?

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Hua Bin's avatar

having both read the book and watched a movie, I find it prescient to the JFK assassination (the book came out before Nov 22). another interesting read is Leo Lewin's report from the iron mountain. that said, the MIC is hardly solely responsible for the militarism in the US today. there is an ecosystem of players in media, finance, academia and think tanks that are incentivized to fuel conflicts, for the empire and often on behalf of israel.

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Tom Welsh's avatar

"Ray McGovern's concept of the MICIMATT (Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think-Tank) complex offers a comprehensive framework for understanding the intricate and pervasive influence of interconnected sectors on U.S. policy-making". https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381306491_Ray_McGovern's_MICIMATT_The_Military-Industrial-Congressional-Intelligence-_Media-Academia-Think-Tank

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Tom Welsh's avatar

I never saw that movie, but it sounds quite realistic. The Pentagon was certainly quite unhappy with President Kennedy. And of course there was the abortive coup against FDR which fell through when, with incredibly bad judgment, the conspirators asked General Smedley Butler to carry out the military side of it. Of course he immediately informed on them and the coup never happened. But the conspirators were not punished, either - odd, that.

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Hua Bin's avatar

there was supposedly a deal between FOR and the cabal that wanted to use Smedley as a front, many of them were National sympathisers

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Robert Billyard's avatar

Nor were charges ever laid against the Dulles bros, Allan Wallace was the devil incarnate.

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laodan's avatar

Yes. But the trade war initiated, during Trump's first term, acted as a catalyst that forced the authorities to decide by the end of 2018 to stop issuing credit to the real estate sector in favor of the technological development of the industrial sector. The following graph is illuminating this shift of credit see https://substack.com/@laodan/note/c-99584863

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Speaking The Truth's avatar

Indeed! China just revealed Manus AI in addition to many other AI from Alibaba and other big China companies.

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Barca's avatar

Why do so many of China’s brightest minds leave China?

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Hua Bin's avatar

for one, there is freedom so people can do what they want.

for two, China is doing fine without "the brightest minds" which I am sure you know many.

for three, where are you from - are the brightest minds going to your country? is your country run by the "brightest minds"? are you one of them too?

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James Filbird's avatar

I know many Chinese who have moved to America thinking that they’re going to enjoy newfound freedom there but actually they come to find out that the freedom that they thought would be so much better than what they have here in China is just an illusion.

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Barca's avatar

It's a genuine question. Why is there human and capital flight from China? Does that contradict your thesis or not? Fwiw I don't think it does, but I'm curious your thoughts.

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Hua Bin's avatar

I'm serious when I said there is plenty of freedom for people to immigrate or move their money out. There are always some who think the grass is greener on the other side. There are certainly top notch scientific talents who have gone to pursue academic and financial opportunities elsewhere, just like with many other countries. on the other hand, there are many who gof to universities in the US, Canada or Australia because they cannot get into top tier schools in China and find it less competitive in other places.

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Tom V's avatar

Please show the source. We know these Chinese will just be 2nd class citizens in the West. Rich Chinese have stopped putting money into the West. The real estate market in Canada shows no new Chinese money because it is down compare to when it was red hot when Chinese were buying everything.

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Hua Bin's avatar

by the way, social credit system is a myth and a western media fabrication like Uyghur genocide. China was putting in place a credit system like in the US when you apply for credit cards and bank loans. but western media twisted the whole thing into an Orwellian social control mechanism. this kind of manipualation is the reason I call the western media the dishonest propaganda machine.

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Tom V's avatar

What % of the population are you talking about? China has 1.4 billion people. These "brightest minds" are statistically nothing. China is so big people in the West can't put their mind around it. People in the West moving to the Global South is more than the Chinese "brightest minds" statistically.

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Barca's avatar

A quick search shows 7 out of 10 Chinese educated abroad don't return, and wealthy Chinese export appx $3 trillion every year. How can China lead the world if its best are fleeing it?

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Hua Bin's avatar

I have seen data showing 80% Chinese students return home after studying overseas. China's GDP is shy of $20 trillion a year. $3 trillion capital outflow is not possible, especially since China still has capital control

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Tom V's avatar

What year is this data? The racism in the West is driving the top Chinese academics back to China. It's why China has surpass us in the majority of tech and catching up fast in the few remaining tech.

As for the outflow of capital, the majority are Chinese investments in the Global South to expand it's trade. Rich Chinese know their assets can be stole at anytime just like what happened to the Russians.

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Tom Welsh's avatar

Maybe (I am merely guessing) because they prefer the perceived greater freedom in the West to pursue completely selfish goals, neglecting the interests of society as a whole.

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Tom V's avatar

The competition in China is greater than any place in the world. Freedom has nothing to do with it. This arrogance is why the world is turning towards the BRICs+. Minorities in the West are treated as 2nd class citizens. We see it in project 2025.

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Tom Welsh's avatar

I was referring to the unbridled freedom that Western oligarch billionaires have, to expand their fortunes to the maximum without the slightest concern for society.

As I understand it, the Chinese government tries to rein in individual greed so that, while making a billion or two is encouraged, once a person has become very wealthy he or she is expected to compromise with the common good.

Am I wrong?

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Tom V's avatar

We see in Tick Tock the freedom in the West. It's just pure propaganda. The West can't stand minorities being successful.

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Tom Welsh's avatar

Unsympathetic as I am to that kind of discrimination, there is a difference. The US federal government (or part of it) has acted against Tick Tock under the misapprehension that this will somehow decrease China’s commercial advantage. Rather different from what I meant: the freedom the West confers to individuals to grab as much treasure as they can hold - and keep it.

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Tom V's avatar

The govt is a tool of the elites. Freedom is relative. Anyone can be a security risk. In Florida, people of Chinese descent can't buy property. What's going to be next?

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钟建英's avatar

The recent spate of innovations coming out from China is astounding! I hope it accelerates even further!👍🙂

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Longtrail's avatar

China was an innovator a thousand years ago!

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Barbara's avatar

Somehow I think Jews have engineered this because they were the engine behind outsourcing. They also want Chinese Social Credit system forced upon us. Oh the thrill of living like the Chinese.

My greatest fear is that now the world will choose to cross China's borders rather than ours. Yeah China is and always has been a beacon to the world. All those Chinese in the USA because they w ould rather live around white people will not leave. So sad.

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